Curse

Stryk · Apr 29, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Ok, I'm really getting frustrated trying to make a build that can fit over a nuker or BiP in the standard DoA team build (OF tank, 3 SF nukers, BiP, Bond,HB,SB)... I'm trying to make a build that can do better than either of those, but it isnt going too well:

1. i tried using BiP on my ranger, then you know it isnt a good idea to be a battery if you think you need a battery to be a battery -.-

2. i tried using paragon chants, didnt work too well either, i tried on isle of the nameless and i couldnt keep my Rahzah's energy above 15 (channeling at the time)

3. I'm not sure i can use Famine with Av+Sv for this, since some of the DoA monsters dont melee

4. I cant think of anything useful for any other 2ndary

5. I'm running out of ideas....

So, I'm asking you... What suggestions do you have?

(Side note, I'm new here, so if this is the wrong forum to be posting in, sorry.)

Aldready Dead Lich · Apr 30, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

You can try a R/Rt with Oath Shot, Shelter, Union, maybe Displacement and other spirits (for example Shadowsong, Pain & Bloodsong) and you may want to add Lightbringer Gaze and a Rezz. Just do your Oath Shot and spam your spirits.
It works good everywhere else, but I haven't tried it in DoA and it's super boring.

Craero · Apr 30, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aldready Dead Lich

You can try a R/Rt with Oath Shot, Shelter, Union, maybe Displacement and other spirits (for example Shadowsong, Pain & Bloodsong) and you may want to add Lightbringer Gaze and a Rezz. Just do your Oath Shot and spam your spirits.
It works good everywhere else, but I haven't tried it in DoA and it's super boring.

You've forgotten the Line of sight problem about DoA, If you can see them... they can see you (And will kill you as soon as possible aka. 3-5 seconds).

People used to run greater conflagration and broadhead arrow rangers when DoA first came out... those times have long since died though. You probably could try and r/me famine in a guild group (Pugs stick with that which they know works)

Aldready Dead Lich · Apr 30, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

The line of sight problems could actually bring in some fun in that build^^
But maybe you're right, I haven't played much DoA yet.

Evilsod · Apr 30, 2007, 08:24 PM // 20:24

If you can find a team running with a Dual SB/SoA tank then you can easily get a job. The ONLY way to keep Spellbreaker up permanently is to use Quickening Zephyr and the ONLY way to keep that up permanently is to use a Ranger. At least without going into intricate methods involving using Vent/TS to time Spellbreaker from 2 seperate monks which you won't find a pug doing.

The problem though is finding a team using a monk tank. I haven't actually done DoA since before the SoA nerf (least i think) and we used a monk tank then so i had a job

Stryk · Apr 30, 2007, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Thanks for the monk tank idea, i guess that could only be possible if the ranger starts the group too =\.

is this a 55 monk tank? if so you cant use symbiosis..

Evilsod · May 01, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

No. A 600 tank with Smiting bonds. Need as much health as you can possibly get vs Stygian Hungers so Symbiosis is VERY needed. Other areas its not needed so much. But EoE is always lovely, same goes for Famine, SV/AV aren't uncommon for a monk tank either.

Usually requires quite a tailored build though. Cautery Signet/Martyr is a must when you'll be facing Stunning Strike or MoR can't stop you been interrupted.

I have no idea if people even use them anymore though tbh, in Pugs or organised teams.

Stryk · May 01, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

thanks.. but i didnt think 600's worked anymore =\... i guess i was wrong. Maybe the SB monk replaces his SB for Martyr for this team =\

but i did have another idea, one that really might work! Use a pet to tank! Bond the pet like you would bond the tank, Symbiotic bond, Call of Protection, Otyugh's Cry, Symbiosis, eoe, maybe Melandru's assult? I wish i could try it, but i have a little feeling it might work =\

Stryk · May 01, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Eureka! I really think the pet tank will work! i tried it with a monk hero with no runes and my pet, all the skills above with heal as one... the monk died first but after the bonds were cut i was only taking 25s or so with symb bond, i think 2s and 3s with the bonds up. I'm pretty sure it will work with a proper bonder and SB monk.

Stryk · May 02, 2007, 03:41 AM // 03:41

...Alas. The pet tank has pulling problems. I send the pet in, he goes in and everything goes right past him and into the group i was testing with. He did die last though...

Evilsod · May 02, 2007, 04:52 AM // 04:52

The pet tank also can't use Obsidian Flesh...

Skuld · May 02, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

barrage + splinter weapon in veil = secks

Stryk · May 02, 2007, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Ive been told theres always a line of sight problem in DoA... So i guess im stuck trying to find a monk tank unless there's some way a ranger can tank =\

Skuld · May 02, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

use a longbow? don't shoot through foundry walls?

Stryk · May 02, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

a longbow is obvious, but if it was really that simple, do you think that rangers would still have the problem of not getting an easy group in DoA?

Mickey · May 03, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Use an obsidian tank build, here is mine:

The Obsidian Scout

16 Wilderness
12 Earth

Obsidian Flesh
Stoneflesh Aura
Armor of Earth
Stone Striker
Storm Chaser
Troll Unguent
Dryder's Defenses
Serpent's Quickness

Done.

Skuld · May 03, 2007, 06:56 AM // 06:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryk

a longbow is obvious, but if it was really that simple, do you think that rangers would still have the problem of not getting an easy group in DoA?

Sf > splinter barrage, theres your answer

Stryk · May 03, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

does that "Obsidian Scout" really work? i might have to cap obsidian flesh and try that =\..

I'm assuming the Weapons are an axe or sword with +5 energy and an earth magic focus with half recharge of earth magic spells.

for Veil you have to be careful with dryders defence =\... but you could replace something in there for glyph of consentration...

Mickey · May 08, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stryk

does that "Obsidian Scout" really work? i might have to cap obsidian flesh and try that =\..

I'm assuming the Weapons are an axe or sword with +5 energy and an earth magic focus with half recharge of earth magic spells.

for Veil you have to be careful with dryders defence =\... but you could replace something in there for glyph of consentration...

Works fine for me.

Evilsod · May 08, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

The real question is.... do pugs think it works?